tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post1299497605614296726..comments2024-03-09T08:06:26.066-08:00Comments on Looking For Detachment: Serpentine: A Group of MineralsSilver Foxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-50782344861318975622010-08-11T21:16:45.344-07:002010-08-11T21:16:45.344-07:00Just responded, sorry for the wait!Just responded, sorry for the wait!Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-61210222871033080382010-08-10T08:57:46.656-07:002010-08-10T08:57:46.656-07:00Hi Silver Fox,
Send me an e-mail ...ttrent1@juno.c...Hi Silver Fox,<br />Send me an e-mail ...ttrent1@juno.com...and I will insure that you recieve a comprehensive list fo studies. Then you may post them as you see fit.<br />Best regards,<br />TTrentttrentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-65276297499828258252010-07-26T17:35:22.470-07:002010-07-26T17:35:22.470-07:00Maureen, I enjoyed your post, have been on the roa...Maureen, I enjoyed your post, have been on the road not able to read online or comment much.Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-8652801821518643602010-07-20T16:12:02.006-07:002010-07-20T16:12:02.006-07:00Thanks for the link to my blog post, "Hiking ...Thanks for the link to my blog post, "Hiking up Big Rock Ridge." It was written before I knew of the the SB624 hubbub. <br /><br />http://mohurley.blogspot.com/2010/07/big-rock-ridge.html<br /><br />And thank you for your detailed information of Serpentinite. My rock books are packed away and I knew most of what I was reading about SB624 was disinformation. <br /><br />In the US, tobacco kills 390,000 to 448,000. 2ndhand smoke—50K. Alcohol—80K. Cocaine, heroin, aspirin & asbestos kill 2,000 ea. #CAserpentine 0.Maureen Hurleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937955472478420127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-91313421174880400072010-07-17T06:43:29.424-07:002010-07-17T06:43:29.424-07:00Thanks, T Trent, for adding your information about...Thanks, T Trent, for adding your information about these studies. I wonder if you have any links or doi's?Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-8191310425550575602010-07-15T08:51:19.847-07:002010-07-15T08:51:19.847-07:00I am a biologist and a research biochemist special...I am a biologist and a research biochemist specializing in natural occurring (NOA) "asbestos" in California. The legislature is a day late (meaning decades late) and a dollar short (meaning, well more) and working on the complete wrong subject. ADAO is not intentionally misleading, but they as a group are misleading. Natural occurring forms of asbestos occur in all states in the ground from soft friable easily airborne to hard rock hard to blow up with dynamite. In California communities have lived on all forms of natural occurring Chrysotile "asbestos" for well over 200 years. Intensive studies of death certificates shows no excess lung cancer or any excess mesothelioma at Chrysotile sites at all. San Francisco is the most contaminated Chrysotile city on earth. Yet small communities in California who have lived on Tremolite asbestos deposits for only short periods, show large quantities of excess mesothelioma. Not just in humans but in animals too. Huge levels of death from a non serpentine NOA. This news regarding Tremolite was published in the newspapers, mostly front page news, in Sacramento for 8 years straight! What do the legislators do? Why they OK "asbestos" epidemics by refusing to address the problem, and they condemn the innocent serpentine rock without even realizing what they are doing. For those who don't know, this exact same subject has nearly killed entire communities in the United States. Groups such as ADAO focusing on Chrysotile "asbestos" to the exclusion of the far more dangerous forms of "asbestos" have lead to the communities of Libby Montana and Jefferson Parish Louisiana having enormous non serpentine epidemics of human death. The legislators could actually do something useful here, but not while they are mislead by non scientists such as ADAO.TTRENTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-48511388306056537252010-07-10T13:13:34.147-07:002010-07-10T13:13:34.147-07:00Thanks, Garry! I just keep on adding, and adding, ...Thanks, Garry! I just keep on adding, and adding, and adding...Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-53295198119124590192010-07-10T10:50:17.129-07:002010-07-10T10:50:17.129-07:00This is a great resource, Silver, thanks for pulli...This is a great resource, Silver, thanks for pulling it together!Garry Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00531226195147986457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-63927614765560289632010-07-10T05:50:30.047-07:002010-07-10T05:50:30.047-07:00You make some very valid points, Nishanta. Not sur...You make some very valid points, Nishanta. Not sure if we're being heard, but trying!Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-38163287548787372572010-07-10T00:50:17.055-07:002010-07-10T00:50:17.055-07:00I too am shocked at this attempt to de-throne serp...I too am shocked at this attempt to de-throne serpentine as CA's 'state rock.' My colleagues and I have dedicated our lives to study these rocks and the rich biological diversity found in habitats overlying these rocks. Most SERPENTINITE contains little to no asbestiform chrysotile and does not pose any significant health risk in its natural state. The fact that chrysotile presents adverse health effects as a reason for removing SERPENTINITE as state rock is as flawed as saying that the Ridge-nosed rattlesnake should be removed as the state reptile of AZ as it is poisonous to humans. The grizzly bear is hazardous to humans too so why is it the state animal? Because we killed it off? UV is clearly more harmful than exposure to SERPENTINITE which contains minimal amounts of chrysotile asbestos, not the tremolite asbestos, which is known to be harmful to health. Health risks, if any, depend on the asbestos type (chrysotile versus tremolite), exposure frequency, and exposure level. All three factors are very low in most SERPENTINITE landscapes around the world, particularly in CA. There are essentially no documented cases of anybody having developed mesothelioma from the casual chrysotile exposure received from naturally-occurring chrysotile found in SERPENTINITE in CA. I urge that SERPENTINITE remain in place as the State Rock. It is part of our natural heritage, one that has served CA well. Clearly, there is more to worry about these days than waste time de-throning a rock!Nishantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01995148783476781292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-40081229997495344912010-07-08T18:45:20.593-07:002010-07-08T18:45:20.593-07:00Dan, you must have had the same problem I did in s...Dan, you must have had the same problem I did in seeing my own comments - I saw your first one, and it never seemed to disappear for me, but my comments never even posted as far as I could tell.Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-74382992260839341952010-07-08T09:29:12.845-07:002010-07-08T09:29:12.845-07:00Serpentine is a great state rock. I always thought...Serpentine is a great state rock. I always thought it gave California an air of sophistication regarding geology as one would assume they would be obsessed with gold being the golden state and the gold mining history.<br />Washington State has lots of serpentine in the north portion of the state at a variety of terrain boundaries. The easiest to see is on the north shore of Fidalgo Island in Anacortes' Washington Park.Dan McShanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17044037213245602667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-43332058467240427672010-07-06T13:46:16.989-07:002010-07-06T13:46:16.989-07:00Maitri, it's all kinda crazy, I agree! Banning...Maitri, it's all kinda crazy, I agree! Banning the state mineral of Wisconsin would be equally dumb. (I won't mention rock licking, oops.)<br /><br />Read the latest post at Geotripper, if you haven't already, about banning other things like poppies and quartz and gold and...Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-46012575966267914472010-07-06T13:19:32.075-07:002010-07-06T13:19:32.075-07:00Galena is the state mineral of Wisconsin. Do you s...Galena is the state mineral of Wisconsin. Do you see us dying of lead poisoning from our samples? Are we going out there to inhale and lick these rocks (ok don't answer that last rhetorical question)? <br /><br />And what is wrong with California that when employees are furloughed and the state is BROKE ASS, this is what they find the time to legislate about?Maitrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00909165817470854042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-26824211337411153692010-07-06T12:16:57.241-07:002010-07-06T12:16:57.241-07:00Comments appear to be fixed.Comments appear to be fixed.Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-58396903829999770052010-07-06T08:12:48.455-07:002010-07-06T08:12:48.455-07:00For some reason, Blogger is not showing any furthe...For some reason, Blogger is not showing any further comments of mine on this post, and I see others around are having some problems. I am getting email notifications that I've added a comment!<br /><br />If you think you're having a problem getting comments through, send me an email.<br /><br />Thanks, sfx.Silver Foxhttp://highway8a.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-10864587382586534832010-07-05T19:30:33.055-07:002010-07-05T19:30:33.055-07:00Dan, thanks for pointing out serpentinite localite...Dan, thanks for pointing out serpentinite localites in Washington, and the way it got there. As for CA, they just seem to be losing it.Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-3545652135181924602010-07-05T13:49:31.516-07:002010-07-05T13:49:31.516-07:00I always thought California's recognition of s...I always thought California's recognition of serpentine showed sophistication.<br />Lots of serpentine in the Northwest Cascades and san Juan Islands. These rocks were likley accreted to the northern California/southern Oregon margin and translated northward during the late Cretaceous. Exposures near along the shore of Washington Park in Anacortes and chunks can be seen in the debris on the Swift Creek alluvial fan east of Nooksack, WA.Dan McShanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17044037213245602667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-33675408177381493722010-07-04T08:42:31.727-07:002010-07-04T08:42:31.727-07:00Serpentinite is not unique to California; in the U...Serpentinite is not unique to California; in the U.S. it is also found in Oregon and Washington (and Alaska? I've never seen any there), and it's found in other places around the world, most notably in other subduction and collision zones (as pointed out by <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/10923865059164569384" rel="nofollow">CJR</a> in <a href="http://geotripper.blogspot.com/2010/07/something-doesnt-feel-right-about-this.html?showComment=1278227858876#c1386214979029145697" rel="nofollow">a comment at Geotripper</a>).<br /><br />Serpentinite is well-exposed and at least sometimes easy to get to in California, like at New Idria. In Oregon, one has to do some bush beating to see much serpentinite. I've not seen the serp in Washington, so can't comment on it's visibility or ease of access.Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-70211969747512978602010-07-03T21:26:42.182-07:002010-07-03T21:26:42.182-07:00Well, serpentinite (or serpentine rock) is a fine ...Well, serpentinite (or serpentine rock) is a fine state rock for California - it's an unusual rock, found more in California than any other state, and it's found there because of CA's plate tectonic setting <a href="http://geotripper.blogspot.com/2010/06/unreasoned-fear-of-serpents-we.html" rel="nofollow">explained well by Garry Hayes</a>.Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8693614218792476252.post-89182492033600203792010-07-03T20:01:30.231-07:002010-07-03T20:01:30.231-07:00Good thing you're raising awareness about Serp...Good thing you're raising awareness about Serpentine. I lived in California for 35 years and didn't know it was considered the state rock even though it's a group of minerals. Interesting!Diane AZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02304549124035767882noreply@blogger.com